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Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Reno Posts: 181 | Payload vs. Kingpin Tongue weight confusion Im getting confused on tow ratings and such. I'm looking at a Ram 2500 Diesel Megacab 4x4 to tow my Jayco Eagle HT 26.5 BHS 5th Wheel (Dont have it yet but it's what I dream of in my sleep). |
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Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: New York Posts: 2,210 | You're right as to payload and kingpin weight are one in the same. The pin has weight on it and that weight is 100% transfer to the vehicle on hook up. Now factor in family, cargo, hitch, full fuel, plus the added pin weight from a loaded camper and yes you are probably 1K in the red. __________________ 2014 375 BHFS Eagle Premier 2014 Ram 3500 Longhorn DRW CC 6.7 CTD, Aisin, 4.10's Yamaha EF3000iSEB |
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Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: James Island, SC Posts: 20,954 | Payload vs. Kingpin Tongue weight confusion It does , along with you, your passengers and anything else you are carrying that is not part of the truck. __________________ 2011- 351RLTS Eagle, MorRyde suspension/pin box, 2017- F350 6.7 PSD Lariat FX4,SRW, SB,CC Hughes PWD SP-50A, TST TPMS Gator roll-up bed cover B&W Turnover ball, Andersen Ultimate 3220 Can't find what you're looking on JOF? Try Jayco Owners Forum Custom Google Search |
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Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 128 | Also any options that you have added count against the factory payload - side-steps, tonneau covers, back racks, caps __________________ |
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Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Asheville Posts: 138 | Payload is ANYTHING you put In your truck, people, pets, 5th wheel hitch, supplies, tools , etc..AND pin weight of the 5er... I would also HIGHLY recommend to use 5ers GVW to more correctly figure how much you'll be towing and a better idea of REAL world pin weight.. No one tows a 5er "empty" or "dry", it's not a realistic weight when loaded to go camping... I would also figure 20% of the units GVWR to get a more realistic pin weight number... __________________ |
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Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: South Texas Posts: 6,946 | +1 for taking a look at the 3500. Does the 3500 come in mega cab SRW? I only see them in DRW around here. __________________ -2018 Greyhawk 29MV -2020 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited (JLU) (Primary Toad) -1994 Jeep Wrangler YJ (Secondary Toad) -2014 Jay Flight 28BHBE & Ram 2500 6.4L CC 4x4 (sold) |
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Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Reno Posts: 181 | Thanks everyone for the replies so far.....I think I might re-consider the 3500 over the 2500 for sure. I like the ride of the 2500 with the coil sprung rear end which is really the only reason it was my first choice. |
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Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Missouri City, The Republic of Texas Posts: 4,977 | I'll add my point to the excellent advice already posted.
__________________ 2013 F-350 CC SB 2WD 6.7PS 2013 Eagle Premier 351 RLTS -SOLD- 2012 X23B -SOLD- 2003 Ford Expedition 5.4, Bilstein shocks |
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Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Fulton, NY Posts: 958 | Can't you get the 3500 with an air bag setup too? I would think empty they would ride pretty nice. __________________ 2017 28BHBE Kitchen skylight, remote control and Aluminum wheels hitched by ProPride 3P 2017 Ram 2500 CC LB 4x4 Big Horn Cummins |
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Join Date: May 2014 Location: OKC Posts: 403 | I have the mega cab 3500 short bed. Just measured the bed. 6' 4'' actual measurement of the bed. Personal accounts of people with this configuration say if you have a 5th wheel with the tight turn type technology that manufacturers are using with the angled front cap, they don't need the slider hitch. I'm sure every TV / 5er configuration is different, so you just don't know what you like till ya try em all... __________________ |
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Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Bremerton Posts: 342 | Quote: Originally Posted by Camper_bob +1 for taking a look at the 3500. Does the 3500 come in mega cab SRW? I only see them in DRW around here. interesting that you mention it. the Dodge 2500 (and the 3500 I think) has a higher payload rating with the 6.4 hemi than with the 6.7 cummins. Therefore you can tow a heavier 5ver with a hemi than with a cummins. |
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Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: South Texas Posts: 6,946 | Quote: Originally Posted by tjpolsin interesting that you mention it. the Dodge 2500 (and the 3500 I think) has a higher payload rating with the 6.4 hemi than with the 6.7 cummins. Therefore you can tow a heavier 5ver with a hemi than with a cummins. It's all in the motor; the Diesel is very heavy. Granted, the Hemi has the payload advantage, but the Cummins has a SIGNIFICANT pulling advantage. __________________ -2018 Greyhawk 29MV -2020 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited (JLU) (Primary Toad) -1994 Jeep Wrangler YJ (Secondary Toad) -2014 Jay Flight 28BHBE & Ram 2500 6.4L CC 4x4 (sold) |
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Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: MD Posts: 3,820 | Quote: Originally Posted by Camper_bob It's all in the motor; the Diesel is very heavy. Granted, the Hemi has the payload advantage, but the Cummins has a SIGNIFICANT pulling advantage. X2 for any diesel. You may loose some payload but a gasser will not tow anywhere near as good. __________________ |
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Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Reno Posts: 181 | I can also say that at 3 friends own 2014+ 2500's, all with the 6.7 4x4, 2 of them Megacab's, and the other a crew cab......they all tow way heavier trailers (33'-36')then the 9,000 lb 26' trailer I want to pull.... None of them have a problem towing their trailers which makes me think that the 2500 would be more then plenty to tow the small 26' fiver I'm looking at. They are way over their payloads without any problems. Is it possible that the payload on the 2500 is just way under rated?? |
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Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: South Texas Posts: 6,946 | Quote: Originally Posted by mtedelen I can also say that at 3 friends own 2014+ 2500's, all with the 6.7 4x4, 2 of them Megacab's, and the other a crew cab......they all tow way heavier trailers (33'-36')then the 9,000 lb 26' trailer I want to pull.... None of them have a problem towing their trailers which makes me think that the 2500 would be more then plenty to tow the small 26' fiver I'm looking at. They are way over their payloads without any problems. Is it possible that the payload on the 2500 is just way under rated?? Supposedly it's all about the suspension. Many say that the axle, tires, brakes, ... are all the same
between the 2500 & 3500. Back in the day when they were both leaf sprung rear ends, the difference was the 3500 had extra leaf(s). Now the 2500 is coil sprung while the 3500 still uses leaves. __________________ -2018 Greyhawk 29MV -2020 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited (JLU) (Primary Toad) -1994 Jeep Wrangler YJ (Secondary Toad) -2014 Jay Flight 28BHBE & Ram 2500 6.4L CC 4x4 (sold) |
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Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Reno Posts: 181 | So while sorting all this out I learned the following for my specific truck.... |
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Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Sharpsburg Posts: 294 | Quote: Originally Posted by mtedelen So while sorting all this out I learned the following for my specific truck.... It's a registration thing. Most states 10,000 or less is registered the same as a 1/2ton. Go beyond 10,000 you pay more, sometimes significantly more in registration fees. Nothing more, nothing less. |
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Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 128 | Same deal on mine...both axles are 3,900 so I would figure a 7,800 lb GVWR, but sticker says 6,900 lbs. My thought is how is the average person going to perfectly balance the weights between the axles unless they are on a scale if they want to max it out...so the lower number is there to allow for wiggle room. __________________ |
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Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: South Texas Posts: 6,946 | So, can anyone put up a pic or list what the GAWRs are on a 3500? That should be the telltale giveaway, don't you think? Anyone know what the sticker says on a 3500? It's not uncommon for the axles to add up to more than the GVWR, but I'm just curious what those are in the 1-Tons. __________________ -2018 Greyhawk 29MV -2020 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited (JLU) (Primary Toad) -1994 Jeep Wrangler YJ (Secondary Toad) -2014 Jay Flight 28BHBE & Ram 2500 6.4L CC 4x4 (sold) |
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Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Sharpsburg Posts: 294 | This is from a 2015 gmc 3500 SLE SRW diesel crew cab 4x4. |
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