Benjamin moore first light sherwin williams match

If you are painting walls/ceilings you should really go with a true Benjamin Moore paint if you are picking a BM color. That tiny little difference that people are talking about that (won't matter) makes all the difference in the world. BM colors are by far superior to any other paint on the market. Now if you are painting kitchen cabinets and doors, BM does not really make a product that is durable for high traffic areas. In that case you should go with a SW paint (Pro Classic is always great). I would highly suggest you find a SW color. If you are dead set on a BM color, then have them match the Swatch. They have BM colors in their systems but I had a horrible experience with this. They tinted the paint with more color then the paint could hold and the colors separated while drying. They're system did not warn them that the paint could not hold that much tint. You can see my attached pictured, the blue/grey is the proper color, the green is what happened to areas that were slightly thicker and had longer to dry (were talking minutes apart)

I recently moved into a house that I needed to get another gallon of paint that the previous owner used. For convenience I went to the same company but at a different location. The original can had the formula so no big deal, right? WRONG. I got home and found that the colors in the cans looked different (looked ok in the store). Went to another location which was closer and asked them about why the difference. They told me that even between stores of the same company, their machines can be calibrated just enough to make a difference between one location to another. They made up another gallon as I did not know what location it originally came from. They couldn't match it either. Rather than chasing all over town to match it I gave up and went in a different color direction. This is a regional paint company with paint quality that I compare to BM & SW.

I've used them all and because of their own formulas I have never had luck matching one brand to another brand. You might luck out the first gallon but if you have to get more down the road, you may be up a creek. If there is a color you must have, then get it from the company whose color it is.

You are so right! When I found a house with colors I loved, I was sneakily trying to match by cards.

Luckily, the owner, thankfully, did not set dogs on me...instead ended up GIVING me actual paint used on his victorian, (4 colors). He and his wife were just amazing...gave me invitation to a Christmas get together they were having...But, I took samples, to BM, missed color, then to KM..long time ago..missed...I had so many samples painted on my house, never matching.

I finally painted half of one side of pieces of wood..around 18"x 12" with my samples..then painted computer matched paint from those stores.

None matched. ( The original paint was high dollar top of line and high $$$$$)I must be undiagnosed O.C.D. because, after so much time involved, I was determined to get my colors. BM guys, I remember, were a little upset that I wouldn't accept their sample. KM, also eyeballed trying to get his sample closer. But, since reading here, I realize, he was doomed before he started. We couldn't get past whatever base color they used. BM was also off, but a little closer.

I bought each paint, mixed by parts until I got as close as I could get.

Used BM for my base and added the other in parts, I mixed and mixed and then mixed some more until each 5gallons painted matched each other and my samples....NEVER AGAIN!!!

I really hated buying majority in BM paints, ( although people I trusted all specified that brand.) Because guys at the store I used didn't begin to try to match..or budge from counter to SEE what I was talking about. It was computer has delivered...like it or leave it. Lazy. But, I wasn't disappointed...

Now, I stick with colors of the brand used. I also think it is better in long run, to get best you can afford, even if you have to save a little longer. Painting is too labor intensive, and big investment to try to cut corners on quality, life of paint job. I'm 73, and with my, just turned 58..OMG..oldest daughter, we are embarking on our latest "Lucy and Ethel" adventure. I'm buying a good sized paint sprayer for lastest go 'round on rentals, fences. Trying to absorb info on machines, process, etc. to keep experiences more enjoyable, competitive, silly goofs rather than aggravating machine related issues.

Yes, I was that young! Weren't we Lucky!!!

I have yet to experience a color match between different brands and I've used them all. Each manufacturer has their own formula for their bases (otherwise why bother to have so many paint manufacturers) that makes their colors their own. Some bases may have more blue or yellow, etc in them than another manufacturer which changes the color that you truly want.

Your painter is telling you this because he is dealing with that particular paint store and probably is getting a discount on the paint, which he is not passing onto you, and he has an account set up. It's all for his convenience and not for what you really want. Also, if you are trying to match some existing exterior paint that is staying on the exterior, weather conditions will have changed that color to some extent so even if you go with the same brand it still may not properly match so that would be two strikes before you even begin to paint. Tell the painter that you will pick up the BM paint yourself. And when you do, mention to the salesperson that your painter doesn't use BM brand but you insisted that you wanted to use it and are wondering if you could get the contractors discounted price. I've found that they will usually give me some discount. And if your painter is not willing to work with you on this, you will just have to decide what is more important...him or the paint color..

Some other thoughts.

Since he is saying that it will match, tell him to get a SW qt of it (or do it yourself) and paint a sample area onto your exterior. Then you can really see how well it matches. I'd also go talk to BM about your peeling and chalking and see what they have to say about it as you may find it is a non-issue with their current paint.

Every painter I've talked to and hired are partial to a particular brand and will come up with some type of reason to why you should use the brand they want you to but the majority of the time after I've done my own research, I find that there is not justification to what they tell me.

"The paint is worked into the price so can't really get it myself,". - if he won't get the BM paint and that is the way you want to go, then ask him to requote the job without the paint. He can get the BM for you but he probably doesn't get the discount like he does with the SW and my $20 bucks says he is not passing that discount onto you. I just had interior rooms painted where I used 2 different brands of paint as those brands had the perfect colors and why bother messing with trying to match. Neither brand the painter used and he gave me a bunch of "reasons" as to why SW his preferred brand was better. Come to find out through my own research, he had bad credit with the paint stores and couldn't get credit to charge the paint on except the SW store. I had him requote it with me purchasing the paint.

Can Sherwin Williams really color match Benjamin Moore Paint colors?

The answer is yes and no. It totally, 100% depends on the color. Specifically between BenM and SW, colors that belong to the yellow hue family typically cross between these two brands rather well.

The near neutrals people like to categorize as "gray" and "greige" as well as colors of white can be a different story.

There is more than one way to mix the same color. In other words, there is more than one combination of colorants that will result in colors with reflectance curves that are so similar that it's impossible for anyone with above-average color vision to tell that the paint color formulas were not identical. It's all figured out using color measurements (color DNA).

People get waaaaayyyy too wrapped around the axel of bases and colorants. The only thing that matters is what the color looks like when it's dry - the actual formula is completely irrelevant. It's actually very simple and straightforward - either a color can be made using some combination of a brands base(s) and colorants or it can't.

The only way YOU can know if YOUR color is possible in a different brand is to get a sample or quart mixed and measure it and look at it.

It's 2018 and no one, especially color professionals, should be struggling with this question or debating whether it can or can't be done. If you're a color pro, you should own a Color Muse and you should be measuring the matches for accuracy. If the match between the chip and the custom mix is greater than a Delta E of 0.80 (ish), then don't accept it, don't buy the paint. (A Delta E of 0.80 is my personal tolerance. YMMV)

If the store is not able to successfully match another brands color by meeting a reasonable Delta E standard, you're not obligated to buy the paint. At that point, you can choose to accept the match for what it is or go buy the color in its home paint brand. NBD

Anybody can buy a Color Muse on Amazon. The Color Muse app is free. The steps to follow are simple. They may be slightly different depending the device you're using.

1. Connect your device.
2. Choose "Inspect" in the lower left (triangle icon)
3. Tap "Options" select the "d65 Lab" color space. Tap "options" again to close.
4. Scan your target, control paint chip in the first panel
5. Scan a dry drawdown of the custom mixed match in the second panel.

The Delta E window should be green indicating a color match. Here's what it looks like. I just had Laura Ashley Gold 4 color matched for a forum friend the other day.

@PaintHunter, Ok. You asked. :) As is, I would never use that website and would strongly advise anyone from using it. The RGB color space has nothing to do with paint colors. If you switched your platform to LCh and CIELAB values it would use the same template of color data values as paint color formulas and hand-held colorimeters - so the numbers would actually mean something and be useful. RGB values and various formats of the RGB color space, like HSB, do not have a dimension of lightness which is why it's meaningless in terms of arch coatings, 3-d built environ and human vision; the RGB color space is applicable to graphics like Photoshop and printing but not the built environment. However, I might include hex codes just because designers use hex codes to make paint blobs for mood boards and presentations.

In order to be legit, you need to qualify how the values were captured, how the colors were measured. i.e. D65 illuminant, 2 degree observer, benchtop spectro and brand, etc.

I had the same problem with BM Simply White! After seeing this color throughout a parade home last year, I had my heart set on it. It showed as a beautiful pure, but not stark, white in that home. When my contractor asked for my color selections he asked if it was OK to color match to SW. I said "no problem," as I had done this many times before with other colors. I never dreamed it could turn out as badly as it did. My ENTIRE house AND ceilings were painted this color before I saw it and realized how bad it was. To me the SW version of Simply White looks like buttered popcorn and in some lights it appears to be a greenish yellow. YUCK.

So now I'm paying the "dumb tax" with this mistake, big time. Today I have someone repainting every ceiling in my house, and this weekend I'll be repainting every wall in the entire house - all at my expense. Lesson learned - I'll NEVER color match again.

The cabinet in the below photo is painted BM White Dove. The walls are the SW-mixed Simply White. Simply White is supposed to be a brighter white than White Dove. You can really see how cream/yellow the SW mixed Simply White looks here.

Here is my SW mixed Simply White ceiling next to a white LED recessed light with and a chip of SW Extra White - the color we are repainting everything.

As always, I defer to Lori Sawaya in all things color. As should you. But I will add my 2c about SW matches of Ben Moore colors. They will struggle with many of the lighter colors, whites and near-whites, because the SW base is already darker than Ben Moore's BEFORE any tint is added. Thus, if you are trying to reproduce a very light color, you have that to contend with.

In particular, I have never seen SW match Simply White. I've had to go on several calls because of it. The SW version comes out looking more yellow-green than the Ben Moore color - no big surprise here because of the SW Extra White base. Extra White is at 113 degrees on the Lch color wheel (Green-Yellow hue family), with a lightness of 94.4. Remember, this is just the plain base.

Yet Ben Moore's Simply White color is only at 106.6 degrees (Yellow family) with a lightness of 95.6. You can't make a white base any whiter, and you can't overcome a yellow-green tinge except by adding a certain amount of pigment... which of course, would make the color darker.

It's possible SW could match Simply White in their High Reflective White base. I can't say definitively, because I've not seen it attempted. But mechanically, it ain't happening in their Extra White base.

the ability to see color with the human eye is a spectrum thing, as is the in-ability to see color, which is often called color blindness. statistically, women usually have keener color vision on average than men. it's not an all or nothing thing, some folks are blessed (or cursed) with very keen color vision and can actually see shades of red most humans can't see. talk to an artist if you know one, they will enlighten. or a musician with perfect pitch. same goes for taste; senses are funny things - it's all neurological. also, illness, age and drugs can effect color vision as well as depression and anxiety. sometimes professional painters have keen color vision, and often their vision is average; they rely on charts and numbers and most of their clients can't tell the difference. but for those who really care about color, well... if you really care about color and can afford the BM you should use it because it is cheaper in the long run than painting twice. and if you can't afford it you should use a color that you like second best from another source. all of this after you have lived with a sample on the exact wall where it will go, in the sheen that you desire. because these things all matter. it's both the bases and the pigments that will effect the color of paint you get. as well as the subtrate you are painting on. even 3 coats over a black is going to be very different than 3 coats over a white. all these things matter.

No, in many cases you will not get a perfect match between a BM paint to a SW. and you will not be happy trying to match high end paint colors with cheap big box paint. High end paint has more pigment and not lots of fillers. Fillers quickly dry out as the paint cures and ends up on the floor not on the wall so color changes. In many cases you might not notice a big difference in many of the colors but do on the more complicated colors. — I find many men don’t pick up on the difference. And too as the comment above stated — the perception of the color is so dependent on so many criteria. A few not mentioned is lighting from the sun, moonlight and artificial lighting. Sunlight angles changes all day through out the year. In the summer the sun is higher in the sky, in winter its lower in the sky. This affects its coming into the room. Overcast days really affect it. Then there are other items in the room such as upholstery, carpet, etc which can make a difference in perception of what’s on the wall. Height and width of the room, even green plants or flowering plants. I read an article once about why many people who loved pale colors like baby blues, bubblegum pink etc and hate the golds, oranges, etc when they are young but they reach 40-50s and and brighter but still mild colors start appealing and by time they get to 60-70s, they love orange, red, purple, gold. It has to do with the cones in our eyes. Then there is also the sun orientation — East, West, north and south. My living room is north/east. My house sits so each corner is a different orientation. And my living room is cold feeling and looking. I painted the walls pink or coral and it’s like the room is 10 degrees warmer. Trees outside the room will make a big difference as the leaves change as the wind moves the branches about and dappling changes. Even clouds can affect the color. To me it’s these changes during the day that make a paint color so dynamic.

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