The catch vs skyward spine xiangling

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pretzelcoatl 1 year ago#1

I have a low investment Xiangling on both my Childe Team and my Ganyu Team. I don't have Catch and I have an EL but it's married to my Raiden. I want to start dumping some resources into her but I had a question about weapon choice.

Should I go for the Catch? Dragon's Bane? Or will Spine still be great due to the ER?

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stage7_4 1 year ago#2

No, the Catch is better in every way than the Skyward Spine. Just keep fishing, you'll eventually get it. The Skyward Spine can be a good placeholder until you get the Catch though, or you could just pass Engulfing Lightining back and forth between her and Raiden unless they're frequently teamed together.

The Dragon's Bane is more difficult to parse. If it's got a couple of refines and your Xiangling isn't having trouble getting her burst back on cooldown, then it's better than the Spine on your Childe team. But not on your Ganyu team.

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Piantizzzimo 1 year ago#3

I would go for the catch, not sure how it would compare to dragon's bane r5 though since I don't have a single copy but the r5 catch performance has been pretty good with 4pc fate set.

Heavyscale 1 year ago#4

What is your Dragonsbane refine level? If it's low then just use The Catch for Xiangling. It is better than that Trashward Spine. If its already leveled you can use that as placeholder until you fully upgrade The Catch.

Fairycancel 1 year ago#5

For pete's sake, skyward isn't bad on xiang, raiden or rosaria

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NamSane 1 year ago#6

Spine is a great weapon. Don’t let anyone pretend it’s not because it might not be the absolute best in slot. I think most people would have told you the spine was a potential best in slot for her before the catch came out. Once you get the catch, use that, but if you have a spine built up already, it’s a great weapon for her.

Jamesworkshop 1 year ago#7

spine has high base atk, some crit rate unless you really refine it, rank 3 is the same 12% crit you'd get from the catch except it applies to non bursts too.

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In terms of burst damage the Skyward Spine R2 appears to be a little behind "The Catch" R5 on average, however the Skyward Spine still makes up for it in skill damage (or at least against a single target, although realistically "The Catch" should likely cause even more damage overall during common multiple enemy situations), although you'll also need a bit more substat Energy Recharge compared to the highly valuable F2P "The Catch", for example (the following are values with low enemy level mitigation, in reality damage'd be a bit lower):

  • "The Catch" R5 (60,6% CRIT Rate is only for the burst, the skill is still using 48,6% CR):

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/5/AAdJrwAACVNT.jpg

  • Skyward Spine R2:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/6/AAdJrwAACVNU.jpg

I based the reference stats on the following Bennett + C2 Kazuha's "The Catch" video with +200% ER (+83k CRIT Xiangling ticks):

https://streamable.com/yss2in

Video taken from the following Childe speedrun video's comments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkuJYZjBq7k

Kazuha C2 is the Vaporize/Melt Archon, extremely recommended.

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I got a Skyward Spine

This was from the standard banner pity, not the weapon banner.

I just wanted a Keqing.

Is this weapon good? Just wondering

It's OKAY on Raiden, but no more than that. The Catch is superior, and easily farmed to R5.

That said, if you're also using Xiangling, now you just need to choose one to have The Catch and one to have Skyward.

People say its one of the worst 5 stars but that doesnt mean its bad compared to 4* weapons. It definitely works on Raiden since ER is very useful on her, passive is kinda meh

Nah, i think they're right. The Catch R5 would be better on Raiden, disregarding artifacts. they both get ER regardless, and ER is also Raiden's Ascension stat. Skyward Spine doesn't get that much more ER. What it comes down to is comparing their passives, pretty much. And The Catch R5 is just plain better, for either xiangling or raiden.

So it comes down to their passives. The Catch boosts all damage during raidens burst, since normal attacks during burst are considered burst damage. Skyward Spine gives attack speed and crit rate and 40% atk dmg in aoe, but the catch gives way more damage over all.

So for xiangling and raiden, use the catch when you can. Between the two, Skyward spine wants raiden, since she would do more normal attacks.

I know they were right, my comment wasn't directed to them, it was to the OP. Spine is still better than some 4* polearms but I know catch is better than spine.

Probably my fault for not clarifying.

That being said, The Catch is a betch to farm, and most people got tired of people wanting fish for a while, idk about now. I just got it to R4 lvl 40, personally.

I honestly said most of that to work it out on the keyboard for myself, sorry...

Skyward spine is actually better for raiden than r5 the catch but just by a little bit

The only possible defense of Skyward Spine over The Catch on Raiden is you're using The Catch on Xiangling.

Is Skyward Spine good for Xiangling?

For players who use Xiangling as a support character, the Skyward Spine is an excellent match for Xiangling. Whether she is being utilized as a Pyro Sub-DPS or Burst Sub-DPS, more Energy Recharge is very beneficial for her and her team. As a support character, Xiangling relies on her Elemental Burst, the Pyronado.

Is Skyward Spine better than Dragons Bane Xiangling?

Even in a Vaporize team, Skyward Spine will do so much more damage. Dragonsbane has a low 454 base attack compared to Skyward Spine's 674 (at level 90/90). That difference is huge. Elemental Mastery and Dragon's Bane's special ability can't make up the difference.

Who is the Skyward Spine best for?

The Skyward Spine is a good weapon for characters who rely on their Elemental Burst to support the team or do DMG. It's perfect for characters who need only a small improvement to their Energy Recharge to trade for more DMG.

Is Skyward Spine good for Bal?

If you're not worried about Energy Recharge or Electro at all, Skyward Spine is the best choice for Baal. It's the most powerful Polearm that increases both attack speed and critical hit rate, along with generating a small vortex that deals additional damage.