When in French we say things such as un jus d'orange, un jus de pomme, etc., is it true that what we are really saying is a glass of orange juice, a glass of apple juice, etc.? So, that "un" implies that we are talking about those drinks served in a drinking container such as a glass? asked Sep 24, 2020 at 0:58
user69786user69786 1,2139 silver badges19 bronze badges 2 Yes, in the context of a restaurant or café, when you order something like, "Un jus d'orange, s'il vous plaît," or "Je voudrais un café," you mean a glass of orange juice or a cup of coffee. No need to say "un verre de jus d'orange." This construct is similar in English; when you say you'd like an iced tea, you don't have to say a glass of iced tea. It can depend on the drink; some are partitive, like de l'eau. answered Sep 24, 2020 at 1:36
livresquelivresque 1,7351 gold badge13 silver badges31 bronze badges 2 Jus is a substance, not a countable noun. When you use the determinant un (equivalent to English "a" or "one") or another number in front of a substance, it usually implies an amount. For juice or milk it would be a glass, for beer it could be a bottle or a pint, for coffee it would be a cup. This is a form of synecdoche, a figure of speech where the part implies the whole, or the container implies the content. This sort of phrasing also exists in English: "You passed out after drinking a third glass." You didn't drink glass, you drank a beverage served in a glass. It's a simple shortcut we use to avoid saying either the substance or the container, whichever can be gathered from the context. Note that you could ask for orange juice without taking that kind of shortcut.
answered Sep 24, 2020 at 4:07
DominoDomino 2611 silver badge8 bronze badges When you order food it will mean what you suspect most of the time, a glass of juice ; this is so if
the context in which the term is used clearly implies that a glass has been meant. However, it can also mean a particular type of juice; in this case you can sometimes also say "du jus d'orange". For instance, someone who'd rather drink only orange juice from Florida might ask a question such as the following, although that is not likely to happen often in France.
Another possibility, more likely that one, is this one.
answered Sep 24, 2020 at 1:31
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